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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: 4me2kn0w on June 13, 2013, 01:48 am

Title: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: 4me2kn0w on June 13, 2013, 01:48 am
Would you be exposing yourself as a possible vendor by trading your coin for cash in the mail?  If I were LE, that's the first attempt I would make to try and catch a potential "vendor".  The next thing I would do is sell shipping supplies :)  Does any vendor really fall for this shit?

Fight the good fight,
4me2kn0w
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: Utopic on June 13, 2013, 02:40 am
Would you be exposing yourself as a possible vendor by trading your coin for cash in the mail?  If I were LE, that's the first attempt I would make to try and catch a potential "vendor".  The next thing I would do is sell shipping supplies :)  Does any vendor really fall for this shit?

Fight the good fight,
4me2kn0w
Nobody would in their right mind buy shipping supplies on here versus google and dropbox etc. It's a miniscule amount of money and is normally put on buyers anyways.
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: Utopic on June 13, 2013, 02:42 am
if the vendor was smart, they would not sell bitcoin from the same account they sell drugs.
Some do but what is the best way to cash out btc? Usually I find buying another drug thats more popular like weed for market price so I lose little if nothing but seeing as I'm selling weed now I guess I need an alternative method.
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 13, 2013, 02:42 am
Would you be exposing yourself as a possible vendor by trading your coin for cash in the mail?  If I were LE, that's the first attempt I would make to try and catch a potential "vendor".  The next thing I would do is sell shipping supplies :)  Does any vendor really fall for this shit?

Fight the good fight,
4me2kn0w
Nobody would in their right mind buy shipping supplies on here versus google and dropbox etc. It's a miniscule amount of money and is normally put on buyers anyways.

The vendor PlutoPete on here has actually supplied many vendors with shipping supplies.  Not smart in my opinion.
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: Burning Babylon on June 13, 2013, 03:02 am
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if the vendor was smart, they would not sell bitcoin from the same account they sell drugs.

This is pretty much a given, but even if not it would make no real difference. If Law Enforcement somewhere actually had a vendor account they might cross-check an order name against their registry and hope they get lucky, but the act of laundering Bitcoin in itself would be on such a small scale it would be an enormous waste of time even if they catch someone red-handed (unless you mean they might get a warrant for the address with that basis alone searching for drugs, which won't happen - yet atleast).

Now granted police don't act on logic or what's necessarily best for society, but as far as I'm aware there has not been a single case with proof there has been a Law Enforcement Vendor on Silk Road. I personally think this is due to the simple fact there's a vendor fee. For them to actually register a real vendor account they would have to go through a lot of bureaucratic procedures which probably are on par with if they were to sell real drugs to someone, might happen in hardcore cases but no vendor on Silk Road is big enough to warrant this.

Another aspect is I think people overestimate Law Enforcement to a high degree, they work best with systems they've known for a very long time and are very slow to adapt to technological advances. When was the last time anyone heard police cracking a PGP identity, or any kind of encryption for that matter?
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: 4me2kn0w on June 13, 2013, 04:31 pm
I'm not saying that it's bad idea to "sell" shipping supplies.  I just saying that you would have to be a real idiot to "purchase" them via the SR. 

I see listings for small baggies, mylar, and other shipping supplies.  By "purchasing" these supplies via the SR, you are revealing your physical address to the vendor supplying them.

By doing this your are breaking the #1 rule as a vendor in my book:  Never reveal your identity to anyone!
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: Mane2311 on June 13, 2013, 04:48 pm
This seems like an obvious rule to me, but you've raised a point that I was going to make in a product sample review I really need to get round to writing (I'm doing it tonight!!)

The sample I received came from Germany and, as well as obviously my address, it also had a full SENDERS NAME AND ADDRESS! This was also printed on a piece of paper inside the package!

I was planning to make a point of this in the review, explaining to the new vendor that this is obviously a big mistake, but since then I've received other packages from the E.U. that also have return/senders addresses on...

Is this a postage requirement in some countries??

Do these vendors use a fake name and address?? Even if they do, I would highly recommend to them NOT to do so if it's an option!

Anyone have any info on this? Have you received packages with return addresses?!?

As I said my sample review will be up later so you can see the full details ;)
Title: Re: Why would anyone exchange BTC for "cash in mail"?
Post by: Tessellated on June 13, 2013, 05:02 pm
There are better ways.